Look at what the lack of a Construction Set has done to this game!!!

danjako43 · 01-30-2012, 09:19 AM

Aside from having no major game-changing mods, the number of people who are playing this game are decreasing at an ALARMING rate!!!

Check it out: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Don't fight it, you KNOW that Skyrim is Steam-required, therefore that's ALL the Skyrim players playing at a certian time...excluding the..eh hem...gentlemen, you know of whom I speak.

Anyhow, three weeks ago, there were about 100,000 players playing, now it's starting to dip down to a 5-digit number.

Do you understand what that means? When the Construction Set finally gets released (IF it ever gets released), there won't be alot of people in the modding community on the release date, and the strength of the community would take ALOT more time to pick up the speed (that is IF it ever picks up the speed...) than it should have if the devs hadn't tried to make the construction set have babies with valve's "workshop" (Morrowind and Oblivion are examples of bustling modding communities).

bluejaye · 01-30-2012, 09:26 AM

A lot of people who aren't currently spending a lot of time with skyrim will probably come back once the construction kit is realesed.

superboyofmeat · 01-30-2012, 09:30 AM

Its a monday in most of the world, I can guarantee you that those numbers will skyrocket once people come home from work/school/someplace away from PC.

Also, the CK is bound to be released either today or tommorrow at 1:00pm EST. So you don't have too much longer to wait till those numbers again skyrocket even more.

Dbuntu · 01-30-2012, 09:33 AM

People wearing out on a game that's been out for three months? End of the world as we know it.
I've got 250hrs of playtime, but haven't played in the last week. I'll be back a month or so after CK is released to see what folks have done with it. Otherwise, I'm going to get back to Arkham City.

danjako43 · 01-30-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dbuntu

People wearing out on a game that's been out for three months? End of the world as we know it.
I've got 250hrs of playtime, but haven't played in the last week. I'll be back a month or so after CK is released to see what folks have done with it. Otherwise, I'm going to get back to Arkham City.

It's not hard to wear a singleplayer game out nowadays that devs are restricting their game engines to exclude all user-made contents. Most games wear out in half a week, some games, like Arkham City, wear out in 2 weeks, and community-wise, it's dead in 1 month.

Skyrim made it well for going on around 3 months as a singleplayer game.

ZakTheEvil · 01-30-2012, 09:58 AM

Chillax. That's normal for any game, or any movie for that matter. There is always the initial rush then it falls off. Movies make most of their money in the first few weeks. I bet it's the same for a game. I often buy games that I play for a few weeks, finish and don't come back until some later time, or never. That doesn't mean the game is bad. That's how it works. Yeah, most games are dead in a month and have no communities at all.

On the other hand look at the number of mods and the number of users on Skyrim Nexus. Members: 3,216,852. Files: 6,018. I mean, what game has 6k mods and add-ons 3 months after its release? And that's before any official tools were released.

I wouldn't worry much.

danjako43 · 01-30-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZakTheEvil

Chillax. That's normal for any game, or any movie for that matter. There is always the initial rush then it falls off. Movies make most of their money in the first few weeks. I bet it's the same for a game. I often buy games that I play for a few weeks, finish and don't come back until some later time, or never. That doesn't mean the game is bad. That's how it works. Yeah, most games are dead in a month and have no communities at all.

On the other hand look at the number of mods and the number of users on Skyrim Nexus. Members: 3,216,852. Files: 6,018. I mean, what game has 6k mods and add-ons 3 months after its release? And that's before any official tools were released.

I wouldn't worry much.

I like how the PC-exclusive Witcher 2 died so fast. Wonder why? Check out the "Witcher Nexus" and you'll see.

If beth doesn't release the construction set tomorrow, i'm gonna be so mad and sad at the same time.

ZakTheEvil · 01-30-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by danjako43

I like how the PC-exclusive Witcher 2 died so fast. Wonder why? Check out the "Witcher Nexus" and you'll see.

If beth doesn't release the construction set tomorrow, i'm gonna be so mad and sad at the same time.

Why being so dramatic? There are other things to do. I bet you got lots out of Skyrim already. The world doesn't end with one game. Even if Skyrim died completely tomorrow, if Skyrim Nexus shut down, there would still be plenty things to do. I know, I'm itching for more Skyrim content too, but my world doesn't end with Skyrim.

danjako43 · 01-30-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ZakTheEvil

Why being so dramatic? There are other things to do. I bet you got lots out of Skyrim already. The world doesn't end with one game. Even if Skyrim died completely tomorrow, if Skyrim Nexus shut down, there would still be plenty things to do. I know, I'm itching for more Skyrim content too, but my world doesn't end with Skyrim.

I'm not being dramatic, i'm being concerned. Moddable-pc games are dying by the masses, and Skyrim is that last Dodo bird that's about to get killed by a hunter if the construction set doesn't get released.

It WILL be the end of "PC-gaming" if Skyrim modding goes wrong, since Skyrim is the only "modern" game that supports modding, aside from GTA 4, which is released in 08, so it's a long time ago.

Joshiii-Kun · 01-30-2012, 10:29 AM

Nope. You're definitely being dramatic about it.

superboyofmeat · 01-30-2012, 10:33 AM

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since Skyrim is the only "modern" game that supports modding, aside from GTA 4, which is released in 08, so it's a long time ago.

Portal 2

SMB

Crysis 2

New Vegas

A few moddable "modern" games that aren't Skyrim

danjako43 · 01-30-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by superboyofmeat

Portal 2

SMB

Crysis 2

New Vegas

A few moddable "modern" games that aren't Skyrim

Portal 2, map mods, pfft, that's not "modding" in my definition of "modding." Try Counter Strike Source, but that game is not "modern." Modern is like 2010+

SMB, wtf is this? Pretty sure it doesn't have alot of game-changing mods besides skins and textures.

Crysis 2, modding got too difficult and community quit, so you're left with not alot of mods. The "mods" that are released aren't that much game-changing anyway.

New Vegas isn't "modern" in a sense that it's both old and still buggy.

superboyofmeat · 01-30-2012, 10:51 AM

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in my definition of "modding."

Cause your definition of modding is industry standard, amirite? FYI Portal 2 uses the Hammer, just like CS and HL. It isn't just "Map packs" That can be made, the reason that Map packs are generally made is because the game revolves around, you guessed it, maps.

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SMB, wtf is this?

Custom level editor for a 2D platformer. Not "skins and textures", don't make comments on something you don't know anything about

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New Vegas isn't "modern" in a sense that it's both old and still buggy.

same could be said for Skyrim, so what is your point here?

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Crysis 2, modding got too difficult and community quit

I'm still seeing several mods in development for both Crysises (Crysese? Crysisis?). Don't know what you are talking about here.

ZakTheEvil · 01-30-2012, 12:02 PM

Oh, I am concerned about the modding scene going away too, after publishers pull off crap like CoD MW2's lack of community servers, etc. I'm 44 yo and I remember the days of Quake I, II and III modding. The Golden Days of community moding, those were.

But in the end, there are a lot more important things to worry about than moding and even computer games. Sure, it's a great hobby of mine to play games but I believe that there will be plenty of good games to play in the years to come. I don't believe that PC gaming is dead. Sure it suffers from publishers greed just like the music and film industry, but there isn't much we can do to change that. If market itself doesn't fix that, no amount of complaining will fix it.

And yeah, you were overly dramatic about this

Charu · 01-30-2012, 01:13 PM

Oh no, it's under 100,000 players! Gosh, I guess the remaining 60,000 or so that will surely climb back up when it reaches prime time will all decide to NOT try their hands with the kit.

Oh lord, we're all doomed!

But really, stop overreacting. Even if it was just a measly 10 people playing, you can't say there's going to be some still getting their hands dirty modding away.

How the heck do you think the original Doom Community is still producing content? By having a lot of players playing Doom still?

01-30-2012, 09:19 AM	#1
danjako43 Join Date: Jun 2011 Reputation: 35 Posts: 688	Look at what the lack of a Construction Set has done to this game!!! Aside from having no major game-changing mods, the number of people who are playing this game are decreasing at an ALARMING rate!!! Check it out: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ Don't fight it, you KNOW that Skyrim is Steam-required, therefore that's ALL the Skyrim players playing at a certian time...excluding the..eh hem...gentlemen, you know of whom I speak. Anyhow, three weeks ago, there were about 100,000 players playing, now it's starting to dip down to a 5-digit number. Do you understand what that means? When the Construction Set finally gets released (IF it ever gets released), there won't be alot of people in the modding community on the release date, and the strength of the community would take ALOT more time to pick up the speed (that is IF it ever picks up the speed...) than it should have if the devs hadn't tried to make the construction set have babies with valve's "workshop" (Morrowind and Oblivion are examples of bustling modding communities).

01-30-2012, 09:30 AM	#3
superboyofmeat Join Date: Apr 2011 Reputation: 158 Posts: 1,180	Its a monday in most of the world, I can guarantee you that those numbers will skyrocket once people come home from work/school/someplace away from PC. Also, the CK is bound to be released either today or tommorrow at 1:00pm EST. So you don't have too much longer to wait till those numbers again skyrocket even more. Last edited by superboyofmeat: 01-30-2012 at 09:34 AM.

01-30-2012, 09:26 AM	#2
bluejaye Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 5 Posts: 98	A lot of people who aren't currently spending a lot of time with skyrim will probably come back once the construction kit is realesed.

01-30-2012, 09:33 AM	#4
Dbuntu Join Date: Oct 2011 Reputation: 33 Posts: 297	People wearing out on a game that's been out for three months? End of the world as we know it. I've got 250hrs of playtime, but haven't played in the last week. I'll be back a month or so after CK is released to see what folks have done with it. Otherwise, I'm going to get back to Arkham City.

01-30-2012, 09:58 AM	#6
ZakTheEvil Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 44 Posts: 626	Chillax. That's normal for any game, or any movie for that matter. There is always the initial rush then it falls off. Movies make most of their money in the first few weeks. I bet it's the same for a game. I often buy games that I play for a few weeks, finish and don't come back until some later time, or never. That doesn't mean the game is bad. That's how it works. Yeah, most games are dead in a month and have no communities at all. On the other hand look at the number of mods and the number of users on Skyrim Nexus. Members: 3,216,852. Files: 6,018. I mean, what game has 6k mods and add-ons 3 months after its release? And that's before any official tools were released. I wouldn't worry much.

01-30-2012, 10:29 AM	#10
Joshiii-Kun Join Date: Jul 2010 Reputation: 27 Posts: 35	Nope. You're definitely being dramatic about it.

01-30-2012, 12:02 PM	#14
ZakTheEvil Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 44 Posts: 626	Oh, I am concerned about the modding scene going away too, after publishers pull off crap like CoD MW2's lack of community servers, etc. I'm 44 yo and I remember the days of Quake I, II and III modding. The Golden Days of community moding, those were. But in the end, there are a lot more important things to worry about than moding and even computer games. Sure, it's a great hobby of mine to play games but I believe that there will be plenty of good games to play in the years to come. I don't believe that PC gaming is dead. Sure it suffers from publishers greed just like the music and film industry, but there isn't much we can do to change that. If market itself doesn't fix that, no amount of complaining will fix it. And yeah, you were overly dramatic about this

01-30-2012, 01:13 PM	#15
Charu Join Date: Dec 2009 Reputation: 91 Posts: 379	Oh no, it's under 100,000 players! Gosh, I guess the remaining 60,000 or so that will surely climb back up when it reaches prime time will all decide to NOT try their hands with the kit. Oh lord, we're all doomed! But really, stop overreacting. Even if it was just a measly 10 people playing, you can't say there's going to be some still getting their hands dirty modding away. How the heck do you think the original Doom Community is still producing content? By having a lot of players playing Doom still?