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Old 03-16-2012, 08:09 AM   #1
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Remove Cozy Camper Downside

Hello.

Cozy Camper is nice , but movespeed downside is spoiling it.

Moving out of cover while scoped now takes a decade rather than just ages.

There no need for this downside , the fact that you have no short range defence ( smg / jarate ) is downside enough.

The other shields do not need additional downsides neither does the Cozy.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:10 AM   #2
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It was not only the Heavy who made use of flinching a Sniper to the point where he can't shoot proberly. Scout and Engineers use their Pistols for that too. How rare it may occour it happens.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:10 AM   #3
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Agreed.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:11 AM   #4
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Downside is fine, you need to adapt to not move when aiming.

(coming from a Cozy Camper user)
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:16 AM   #5
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Downside is fine, you need to adapt to not move when aiming.

(coming from a Cozy Camper user)
No its not fine , it turns what should be a sidegrade into a distinct downgrade.
Removing a snipers ability to move out from cover is not needed.

The camper is already the secondary that leaves the sniper most vulnerable to flanking and short/mid range attacks.

The fire vulnerability isnt needed either.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:17 AM   #6
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It's to take away your ability to just pop out for half of a second to full charge bodyshot other snipers. In exchange, you can kill any heavy or soldier.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:19 AM   #7
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Uhhh... Aren't Ages like... Thousands of years? And a decade is... well, 10.


Why is this only thing in this thread I care about?


You're not supposed to be able to move out quickly. Otherwise it would be a staight upgrade to the smg. You don't get recoil. You get reduced movement. That sounds perfectly fair to me.

l2p u suk etc. etc.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:33 AM   #8
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Uhhh... Aren't Ages like... Thousands of years? And a decade is... well, 10.


Why is this only thing in this thread I care about?


You're not supposed to be able to move out quickly. Otherwise it would be a staight upgrade to the smg. You don't get recoil. You get reduced movement. That sounds perfectly fair to me.

l2p u suk etc. etc.
So your saying a shield that deals 100% less damage than a smg is an upgrade ?
It doesnt affect recoil of rifle , the anti flinch means your aim is not throw off by incoming fire.

Basically it improves your ability v heavy at range in exchange for total vulnerability to spys and other classes that get close.

Thats before the movement and fire vuln nerfs.
Basically this downgrade comes with too many downsides, its not worth using it in its currect form, your better off by far with a darwins or razor

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Old 03-16-2012, 08:38 AM   #9
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terminology fail

I used to watch TV 30 minutes a day, now I only watch 6 hours daily.
Ages is slang in England for a long time , As in I had to wait ages for the bus.
In typically means 15minutes or more in such usage.

Both were of course exagerations.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:49 AM   #10
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Yeah, but you had to relativise both by the same degree then. In any case your comparison is flawed.
It wasnt a comparison it was a phrase.
get over it.
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:56 AM   #11
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your phrase CONTAINS a bad comparison.
The comparison is fine, even if you dont understand it.

This thread is about Cozy Camper downsides not your lack of understanding of colloquial English.
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:22 AM   #12
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The Cozy Camper is fine.

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Old 03-16-2012, 09:34 AM   #13
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The cozy camper is perfect what are you talking about. For the first time I'd say valve released a balanced weapon on initial release since the war update.
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:36 AM   #14
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The cozy camper is perfect what are you talking about. For the first time I'd say valve released a balanced weapon on initial release since the war update.
QFT. I can safely say this is definitely a viable tool for Sniper. You're trading your SMG for better accuracy, in essence. You have to aim precisely if you don't want your targets getting too close, and the Cozy Camper lets you do that. That's actually a good trade-off.
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:41 AM   #15
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Move unscoped.

Problem solved; I must be a genius.
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