Bad Optimization

AlanWake777 · 03-21-2012, 02:51 AM

Hello developers! On my computer AW dont have work. On XP SP3 after REMEDY Video in star the game still crashed! On 7 SP1 game work, but very very bad

See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX57Ig0kHYo
Textures disappear altogether, but WTF why when Fraps running textures work normal after 1-2 minutes

Tested game on all patches, and latest drivers/WinUpdates. Settings a minimum, the resolution of 640x480. There are also huge problems with sound. Please optimize this game normal work on One-Core Athlon processors! My specs:
AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ s939 2400MHz
MSI RX480M2 (Sound Card: Realtek AC97)
4x512Mb DDR400 PATRIOT/HYNIX (2Gb summary)
SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 6450 DDR3 1Gb
I don't know, but maybe you can help me deal with the situation that appears in the dump folder permissions after saving the game starts at XP: http://depositfiles.com/files/2b81vt47l

LordJuanlo · 03-21-2012, 04:05 AM

I don't think Alan Wake could be optimized to run on single-core processors, it's too complex. This game was designed for the Xbox 360 that has 3 cores.

Br3ach · 03-21-2012, 04:29 AM

Game requires a dual core processor as a minimum, period. Saying it's badly optimised because it's heavily multi-threaded is... not serious to put it mildly. Remedy are being very nice, but obviously they are not going to rework the game to run on single core machines or 486's or whatever.

AlanWake777 · 03-21-2012, 04:57 AM

Hmmm, I think the developers to optimize the benefit game for the weak computers, which almost correspond to the minimum requirements, because it is profitable to more sales of the game. Approximately 40% of computer users in Europe (in the U.S. to 80%) are single-core system. I do not mean to remake the game from scratch, but something to optimize the code for better performance it would be nice. Thank you.

Br3ach · 03-21-2012, 05:22 AM

Steam disagrees with you:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/

Could they have made the game run properly on a single core machine? Don't know. But it doesn't at present because it requires at least two CPU intensive threads. They can't easily change that IMHO without substantial rework which you can't expect.

derrman0426 · 03-21-2012, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanWake777

Hmmm, I think the developers to optimize the benefit game for the weak computers, which almost correspond to the minimum requirements, because it is profitable to more sales of the game. Approximately 40% of computer users in Europe (in the U.S. to 80%) are single-core system. I do not mean to remake the game from scratch, but something to optimize the code for better performance it would be nice. Thank you.

According to the Steam hardware survey, only 5% of people on Steam have single cores.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/

You should really upgrade your system, the video card is totally fine but that CPU is from 2004. Most games nowadays need a dual core or higher to play.

MarkusRMD · 03-21-2012, 06:45 AM

Yeah, Alan Wake engine was designed and built as multithreaded engine from the start and unfortunately the minimum requirement is a dual core CPU. This is not something that just optimization can fix, it's a core engine design issue.

iNcRiMiNaTi · 03-21-2012, 07:13 AM

If you knew about this game way back even before it became an xbox 360 "exclusive" it was being touted as a game to take full advantage of quad cores, this was before the i7 line. There was a demonstration showing how the effects they were going for weren't possible on a single core processor and it was actually more demanding than what it is now from what it was when they demoed it back in 2005. They DID tone it down to work on the 360 but as mentioned above, even the 360 has a multicore architecture. Maybe if they removed a whole lot of effects that were supposed to be the highlight features of the game they could've optimized it for single core processors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gnWEYxks-Q

mattila95 · 03-21-2012, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanWake777

Hmmm, I think the developers to optimize the benefit game for the weak computers, which almost correspond to the minimum requirements, because it is profitable to more sales of the game. Approximately 40% of computer users in Europe (in the U.S. to 80%) are single-core system. I do not mean to remake the game from scratch, but something to optimize the code for better performance it would be nice. Thank you.

You do understand, that it cant be optimized that much?

cyborg34573 · 03-21-2012, 10:14 AM

Would you rather cut off things out your game just to optimize it for lower end hardware or would you rather just make the game how you truly envisioned it?. If i was a developer i probably woudnt really think much about the required hardware and focus more on making the game how i want it to be. Look at The Witcher 2, its an amazing game aswell, the developers really didn't sacrifice anything in that game, didn't care much if it was demanding as hell in the end and its still sucessfull because they put more effort into the story/quality/etc not into trying to optimize it for lower end hardware cutting out alot of things etc.

But yeah you get my point, sorry TC, your hardware is simply too weak. The engine is really designed for Dual-Cores and up, and you have a single core CPU, its not gonna work. Why coudnt they have coded the engine to work with single core processors? probably because again theyd have to dumb things down in the game which would make it less enjoyable, and the thing about us pc gamers is, we actually demand games that push our hardware further and we complain when a game is so dumbed down not even stressing our hardware that much, it feels like we have wasted tons of money for nothing, we like to feel that the money we used on hardware is worth it, Pc gaming is expensive and thats just how it is really.

But yeah overall your processor/video card/RAM are all too weak for modern games im afraid, its really time for an upgrade, because even if your CPU was up to the task, if it was a Quad-Core just for example, your video card there will still hold you back alot and your performance probably wont be any different, and ontop of that youl be running off Virtual RAM/Pagefile with these modern games because you only have 2GB RAM in your system and thatl cause stuttering/hiccups etc. Its time for an overall upgrade if you wanna play modern games properly, thats the harsh truth.

AlanWake777 · 03-21-2012, 10:28 AM

Thanks all for permission, but now i can't buy new PC

It a pity, very pity, and i waited so long for this game I'm a fan of Max Payne

trek554 · 03-21-2012, 10:35 AM

sorry but a single core A64 and 6450 is NOT going to play hardly any modern game. gaming should be the last of your priorities if you cant afford a more modern pc then that.

AlanWake777 · 03-21-2012, 10:40 AM

"Device Create Error -- Invalid call" this problem i have on XP, on 7 Don't. Waiting 4 update 1.06-1.07 later probobly.
ps: As for other modern games: MW3 goes perfectly with 1680x1050 all inclusive, except Vsync, Crysis 2 goes at 1024x768 with 17-23PS, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. everything is fine at 1280x1024 is all-inclusive

trek554 · 03-21-2012, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanWake777

"Device Create Error -- Invalid call" this problem i have on XP, on 7 Don't. Waiting 4 update 1.06-1.07 later probobly.
ps: As for other modern games: MW3 goes perfectly with 1680x1050 all inclusive, except Vsync, Crysis 2 goes at 1024x768 with 17-23PS, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. everything is fine at 1280x1024 is all-inclusive

no offense but you should give up for now and stop wasting money buying video games until you get a competent pc.

cyborg34573 · 03-21-2012, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanWake777

"Device Create Error -- Invalid call" this problem i have on XP, on 7 Don't. Waiting 4 update 1.06-1.07 later probobly.
ps: As for other modern games: MW3 goes perfectly with 1680x1050 all inclusive, except Vsync, Crysis 2 goes at 1024x768 with 17-23PS, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. everything is fine at 1280x1024 is all-inclusive

One of the games devs (i think) up there already told you the game doesn't work with a Single-Core processor man, a developer of the game told you that. There is nothing they can do to optimize the engine to work with single-cores unfortunately. That error your getting is simply telling you that its not finding the hardware it needs to run the game.

"no offense but you should give up for now and stop wasting money buying video games until you get a competent pc."

As harsh as that sounds i have to agree with it, your basically just wasting money on video games and your not even getting the full experience with them, nobody enjoys playing games with the lowest settings and still get like 25Fps maximum, its no fun. As for MW3 playing good on your system, well even tho its a new game , its engine is very outdated and not demanding at all, which is why it runs so well on old hardware.

03-21-2012, 02:51 AM	#1
AlanWake777 Join Date: Mar 2012 Reputation: 0 Posts: 7	Bad Optimization Hello developers! On my computer AW dont have work. On XP SP3 after REMEDY Video in star the game still crashed! On 7 SP1 game work, but very very bad See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX57Ig0kHYo Textures disappear altogether, but WTF why when Fraps running textures work normal after 1-2 minutes Tested game on all patches, and latest drivers/WinUpdates. Settings a minimum, the resolution of 640x480. There are also huge problems with sound. Please optimize this game normal work on One-Core Athlon processors! My specs: AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ s939 2400MHz MSI RX480M2 (Sound Card: Realtek AC97) 4x512Mb DDR400 PATRIOT/HYNIX (2Gb summary) SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 6450 DDR3 1Gb I don't know, but maybe you can help me deal with the situation that appears in the dump folder permissions after saving the game starts at XP: http://depositfiles.com/files/2b81vt47l Last edited by AlanWake777: 03-21-2012 at 02:55 AM.

03-21-2012, 07:13 AM	#8
iNcRiMiNaTi Join Date: Jun 2010 Reputation: 8 Posts: 106	If you knew about this game way back even before it became an xbox 360 "exclusive" it was being touted as a game to take full advantage of quad cores, this was before the i7 line. There was a demonstration showing how the effects they were going for weren't possible on a single core processor and it was actually more demanding than what it is now from what it was when they demoed it back in 2005. They DID tone it down to work on the 360 but as mentioned above, even the 360 has a multicore architecture. Maybe if they removed a whole lot of effects that were supposed to be the highlight features of the game they could've optimized it for single core processors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gnWEYxks-Q Last edited by iNcRiMiNaTi: 03-21-2012 at 07:17 AM.

03-21-2012, 10:14 AM	#10
cyborg34573 Join Date: Jun 2010 Reputation: 324 Posts: 2,726	Would you rather cut off things out your game just to optimize it for lower end hardware or would you rather just make the game how you truly envisioned it?. If i was a developer i probably woudnt really think much about the required hardware and focus more on making the game how i want it to be. Look at The Witcher 2, its an amazing game aswell, the developers really didn't sacrifice anything in that game, didn't care much if it was demanding as hell in the end and its still sucessfull because they put more effort into the story/quality/etc not into trying to optimize it for lower end hardware cutting out alot of things etc. But yeah you get my point, sorry TC, your hardware is simply too weak. The engine is really designed for Dual-Cores and up, and you have a single core CPU, its not gonna work. Why coudnt they have coded the engine to work with single core processors? probably because again theyd have to dumb things down in the game which would make it less enjoyable, and the thing about us pc gamers is, we actually demand games that push our hardware further and we complain when a game is so dumbed down not even stressing our hardware that much, it feels like we have wasted tons of money for nothing, we like to feel that the money we used on hardware is worth it, Pc gaming is expensive and thats just how it is really. But yeah overall your processor/video card/RAM are all too weak for modern games im afraid, its really time for an upgrade, because even if your CPU was up to the task, if it was a Quad-Core just for example, your video card there will still hold you back alot and your performance probably wont be any different, and ontop of that youl be running off Virtual RAM/Pagefile with these modern games because you only have 2GB RAM in your system and thatl cause stuttering/hiccups etc. Its time for an overall upgrade if you wanna play modern games properly, thats the harsh truth. Last edited by cyborg34573: 03-21-2012 at 10:19 AM.

03-21-2012, 10:40 AM	#13
AlanWake777 Join Date: Mar 2012 Reputation: 0 Posts: 7	"Device Create Error -- Invalid call" this problem i have on XP, on 7 Don't. Waiting 4 update 1.06-1.07 later probobly. ps: As for other modern games: MW3 goes perfectly with 1680x1050 all inclusive, except Vsync, Crysis 2 goes at 1024x768 with 17-23PS, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. everything is fine at 1280x1024 is all-inclusive Last edited by AlanWake777: 03-21-2012 at 10:47 AM.

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03-21-2012, 04:05 AM	#2
LordJuanlo Join Date: Jan 2008 Reputation: 29 Posts: 730	I don't think Alan Wake could be optimized to run on single-core processors, it's too complex. This game was designed for the Xbox 360 that has 3 cores.

03-21-2012, 04:29 AM	#3
Br3ach Join Date: Nov 2011 Reputation: 0 Posts: 61	Game requires a dual core processor as a minimum, period. Saying it's badly optimised because it's heavily multi-threaded is... not serious to put it mildly. Remedy are being very nice, but obviously they are not going to rework the game to run on single core machines or 486's or whatever.

03-21-2012, 04:57 AM	#4
AlanWake777 Join Date: Mar 2012 Reputation: 0 Posts: 7	Hmmm, I think the developers to optimize the benefit game for the weak computers, which almost correspond to the minimum requirements, because it is profitable to more sales of the game. Approximately 40% of computer users in Europe (in the U.S. to 80%) are single-core system. I do not mean to remake the game from scratch, but something to optimize the code for better performance it would be nice. Thank you.

03-21-2012, 05:22 AM	#5
Br3ach Join Date: Nov 2011 Reputation: 0 Posts: 61	Steam disagrees with you: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/ Could they have made the game run properly on a single core machine? Don't know. But it doesn't at present because it requires at least two CPU intensive threads. They can't easily change that IMHO without substantial rework which you can't expect.

03-21-2012, 06:45 AM	#7
MarkusRMD Remedy Games Join Date: Feb 2012 Reputation: 227 Posts: 318	Yeah, Alan Wake engine was designed and built as multithreaded engine from the start and unfortunately the minimum requirement is a dual core CPU. This is not something that just optimization can fix, it's a core engine design issue.

03-21-2012, 10:28 AM	#11
AlanWake777 Join Date: Mar 2012 Reputation: 0 Posts: 7	Thanks all for permission, but now i can't buy new PC It a pity, very pity, and i waited so long for this game I'm a fan of Max Payne

03-21-2012, 10:35 AM	#12
trek554 Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Reputation: 636 Posts: 8,913	sorry but a single core A64 and 6450 is NOT going to play hardly any modern game. gaming should be the last of your priorities if you cant afford a more modern pc then that.