What is the point to pre-purchasing this?

[Simian_]

You're not getting burned by pre-ordering in this case. The pre-order isn't some strategy cooked up by a publishing giant to push out as many copies of a game before people figure out it's crap and sales drop away due to lack of interest or bad user reviews. In this case the pre-order is probably required to raise the extra money needed for the final push to release.

You're helping yourself get a better product when it does launch, you're helping other gamers get a better product, and you're helping the devs meet costs in the final stages.

The game is 20 bucks, and you're getting a lot for that 20 bucks. There's no cause for complaint. Please pre-order and help out. Who knows... maybe you'll even get that warm feeling from knowing you put yourself out there just a little bit in an act of good faith. Anything is possible.

[Miniver]

Originally Posted by Devil Man X

Umm... you pre-order a game to get the game. Incentives are bonuses. The reason to pre-order is to get the game. "Deep Thoughts"

Is it possible for someone to be this stupid?

[Obloir]

You know.. supporting the devs?


Some pretty self entitled brats in this thread...


TL1 is a fine bonus or the neverwinter beta access from perfectworld.

Stop crying and whining.

[Obloir]

You know.. supporting the devs?


Some pretty self entitled brats in this thread...


TL1 is a fine bonus


and

I for one am glad they don't have any of the day1-DLC or exclusivity nonsense going on. It's only $19.99 with a free copy of TL1, if you find something to complain about in there then I'm at a loss for words.

[Steppenw0lf]

Originally Posted by Obloir

You know.. supporting the devs?


Some pretty self entitled brats in this thread...


TL1 is a fine bonus or the neverwinter beta access from perfectworld.

Stop crying and whining.

You support the devs by buying the game. But if there is nothing worth preordering they have to live with geting my (and many others) money at the earliest as the game release.

For me it is just a simple where to spent my money at what time. But for many others it is nearly confirmed habit of getting something as a bonus for preordering something.

And if you say TL1 is a fine bonus ... then you may right ... for some people. But who will preorder TL2? Mainly TL1 fans, as these know what cool game to expect. But for do these people need TL1?

[bigdamnjay]

Originally Posted by Steppenw0lf

You support the devs by buying the game. But if there is nothing worth preordering they have to live with geting my (and many others) money at the earliest as the game release.

For me it is just a simple where to spent my money at what time. But for many others it is nearly confirmed habit of getting something as a bonus for preordering something.

And if you say TL1 is a fine bonus ... then you may right ... for some people. But who will preorder TL2? Mainly TL1 fans, as these know what cool game to expect. But for do these people need TL1?

I have to agree. I don't recall this being labelled as a "kickstarter" program so these "to support the devs" arguments don't hold much water in my opinion. I will support them when I buy the game. I may have pre-ordered it if they had a solid release date.

[halororor]

Here's the kicker: We don't even know when the game is being released.

For many of us, our funds are limited. Preordering now might mean we don't have money for a nice game that goes on sale next week, and for what? To 'support' the devs by buying on faith alone?

That's why, when the pre-order incentive sucks, people hold off on pre-ordering.

It's not called being an entitled brat, it's called being an intelligent consumer by knowing when and where to spend your money.

[OmegaDL50]

The real truth of the matter is you REALLY were interested in actually buying Torchlight 2 there would be no reason to complain about it's pre-order.

Either you are interested in the game or your not. It's that simple.

You justify the purchase with your wallet. It's your money in the end. People trying to scrutinize and try to find an ulterior motive for the games pre-order really aren't even interested.

They would better spend their time doing something more constructive rather then whine about something they have no intentions to buy. Some people clearly have too much time on their hands they just make a great waste of it. Such a shame.

[halororor]

Originally Posted by OmegaDL50

The real truth of the matter is you REALLY were interested in actually buying Torchlight 2 there would be no reason to complain about it's pre-order.

Either you are interested in the game or your not. It's that simple.

You justify the purchase with your wallet. It's your money in the end. People trying to scrutinize and try to find an ulterior motive for the games pre-order really aren't even interested.

They would better spend their time doing something more constructive rather then whine about something they have no intentions to buy. Some people clearly have too much time on their hands they just make a great waste of it. Such a shame.

Yet another high-roader. :|

Simply because we do not wish to buy something early if we get the same benefit from buying it at release does not mean we're not interested. It only means we cannot justify investing in the game right now when there is no benefit to not waiting.

Here, let me break it down for you. I am a student, and therefore don't have a lot of money to spend on games. On a good month, I can probably pinch off $40.

-Now I pre-order Torchlight 2, which benefits me nothing at all.
-I am left with $20 to spend on other games
-Next week, Game X (which has been on my wishlist for months) goes on sale for $25.
-I do not have the money to buy Game X, because I pre-ordered Torchlight 2

Now, if I had waited on pre-ordering Torchlight 2, I would have been able to afford Game X, and later, closer to Torchlight 2's release date, have been able to afford that too.

It's called intelligent consumerism. Torchlight 2's pre-order does not hold any extra benefit to justify me tying my money down like that, so therefore I will not pre-order it now.

I don't see what's so bad about consumers knowing when and where to spend their own money.

[Tripiṭaka]

That was my point. Because you are on a strictly limited income your only role is as a consumer. You have very little freedom.

The rest of us, given that gaming is a cheap hobby, have the freedom to include other factors in our decision making. We can fund a kickstarter or preorder titles developed by independents etc etc.

What posters were taking issue with is the claim that the only possible role for a gamer is that of consumer. Why would anyone want to see themselves that way? That is hardly rational or intelligent.

[Undone12]

At least it's not offering some bull♥♥♥♥ 'exclusive pre-order armor, placed in your inventory at the start of the game' pre-order incentive like so many do.

Ingame pre-order exclusives should just die, or be cosmetic only.

[OmegaDL50]

Drop the name calling, you don't know me, don't assume to know me, you should know what they say about people making an assumption. I have no qualms keeping this conversation civil and mature, but I don't feel it necessitates comments such as calling me a "high-roader" because I have little patience or tolerance for such nonsense. This isn't GameFAQs, I'll leave it at that.

Here's another perspective. You said people have money now to buy the game and can pre-order it, whereas they don't have that money later due to other high profile releases, however that is not everyone's circumstance.

Not everyone has money to buy a game later. Some people actually have to ration their spending habits due to things like food and utility bills. If it's convenient for someone to pre-order the game today, predicting their finances may not give them that lee-way when the upcoming mortgage or rent payment does not give them to luxury to buy it later.

Unfortunately, my funds are very limited, so I basically have to narrow my game purchases to basically 2 to 3 games in an entire year. Some times it's not about waiting when you can afford it later, regardless of it being the same price.

Game X and Y later is factored later, not in the here and now. Torchlight II is available for sale now and I currently can afford it, so I don't see the issue in buying it now because due to the unpredictable nature of not knowing when I can put aside for that luxury. I may not be able to play the game now, but buying it now, I am assured to have it when it does release and it won't have an impact on my income later.

Not everyone can get everything when they want to, this is sad but realistic fact of life, so sometimes one must do their best to control that opportunity when they can.

[halororor]

Then why make it sound like if someone doesn't buy it immediately, it's because they don't really want to buy it?

It works two ways. People are saying there's not enough incentive for them to tie their money down, then you complained that those complaining don't really want to buy the game.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Bugs Bunny]

Anyone who doesn't have TL1, TL2 won't include it once it's launched, so it's a bargain.

For people like me who already had TL1, i'm just happy i'll be able to pre-load TL2. Watch out, i'm going to be like a whole 5 minutes ahead of people who buy it when it launches...

might not matter much and call me shallow, but I like the challenge of being one of the first to achieve something in a new game (max level, first to find an item etc.).

[in.meinem.turm.]

Originally Posted by Bugs Bunny

Watch out i'm going to be like a whole 5 minutes ahead of people who buy it when it launches...

Unless Steam forgets the preorderers again.
I'm having Flashbacks to Grimrocks launch now.