BF3 Killed after ducking behind cover, constantly on 22 ping?? - Page 2

bejayel · 05-01-2012, 07:42 AM

Yeah, their fix for the awful hit detection in BC2 was to make the server intentionally lag everyone so they are actually a second behind where you think you are.

Then the hit detection is client side and only "confirmed as acceptable" by the server.

jmac79 · 05-01-2012, 08:27 AM

Noticed alot of the corner deaths lately too. If it hadn't been for mutiple enemies killing me in this manner I was gonna start screaming hax.

Zefar · 05-01-2012, 10:18 AM

This is second for me in the most annoying thing in the game. First is Instant death which happen way way to much. Gets to a point where it's the most rage inducing moment in BF3.

I can handle being killed by most things without a problem. But being instant killed by almost any weapon is just not fun.

I never had this problem in BC2. NEVER. I didn't die behind corners either or when ducking behind a cover.

In BF3 it happened to me from the very start. Ducking or going prone is the most visible one. It happens every single round and the delay is up to a full second. Maybe even a bit more than that.
Instant death also happens every single round.

BC2 was massively better netcode wise.

GLaw · 05-01-2012, 10:42 AM

Oh yeah, one shotted is annoying. Happens way to often. Going prone to avoid fire is pretty much pointless.

Rhodsie · 05-01-2012, 01:13 PM

Only certain weapons can one shot, outside of that you are not being killed instantly. It may appear to be instant because the person that shot you is lagging or you are lagging, but you are being hit by multiple rounds. I play with 150-250 ping and people complain about this constantly when I kill them (including my friends on Skype), I also seem to die extremely quickly, when in reality it's just my ping making it look that way.

Zefar · 05-01-2012, 02:34 PM

It's the reason that it may appear we die instantly that we hate it so much. It happens every single round. Doesn't matter if everyone is good ping or not.

Instant death are the worst thing BF3 has at the moment.

We're not talking about weapons which can one shot people. We're talking about when we get one shot by almost anything.

Zeussa · 05-01-2012, 06:26 PM

That's it!! One shot kills appear that way. A lot of times it appears we're NOT recieving proximity hits effects or (suppression), we only detect the last shot that nails us dead.

So if we don't detect and hear the 2 bullets that injure us, they are still registering. This can't be

But I play hardcore, and I'm sure I've got 1 shot head kills with my AN94, maybe their health was down?

When prone behind ridges I still get hit, but I've got others like that, they back away and thought they were out of sight and I can see top half or their helmet.

So there is lag and we have to play with it... now I'm gonna strafe and spray instead of proning or diving for cover.

Zukabazuka · 05-01-2012, 10:35 PM

Well in Hardcore you have 60 health, so yeah you die even faster there. But this is in normal mode, I should at least hear 4 hits in close combat but only 1 register for me.

Dendari · 05-02-2012, 02:07 AM

Are you sure it isn't an HS? Usually when I get insta-killed it's a damn HS :\

GLaw · 05-02-2012, 05:44 AM

Zefar's described what I was talking about. We've tried the interpolation bar at 3/4, 1/2 and 0 with no real change. It's screwed.

Zefar · 05-02-2012, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dendari

Are you sure it isn't an HS? Usually when I get insta-killed it's a damn HS :\

I've been instant killed by the M9 pistol. As in I only heard and felt one shot before I dropped. Normally it's those faster firing rifles that get me instantly. But plenty of other weapons do it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGaP5wTYLtQ

That still happens. Every single time in a round.

divine_skills · 05-02-2012, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zefar

I've been instant killed by the M9 pistol. As in I only heard and felt one shot before I dropped. Normally it's those faster firing rifles that get me instantly. But plenty of other weapons do it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGaP5wTYLtQ

That still happens. Every single time in a round.

Wait what, don't you have a magical Swedish high-quality internet connection which effectively prevents all cases of bad hitreg?

Rhodsie · 05-02-2012, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zefar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGaP5wTYLtQ

"Saying that it's about high latency is basically just stating the obvious. Yes, it is a problem of high latency. That's what, in essence, provides these situations. If the hit registration is client sided, it's going to cause problems on servers where the population has pings that vary a lot. That's where these sort of things happen more frequently."

I remember being killed plenty of times when running behind cover in CSS, I don't know if that game has client or server side hit detection (my guess is server side) but I had similar issues as far as being killed after you moved out of the way.

If BC2 had server side hit detection and BF3 has client side, I'd say that change improved the hit detection as far as reliably doing damage to other players. In BC2, again with 150-250 ping, I had serious issues with hit detection, in BF3 I've never experienced the third case presented in the video above (hit markers with no damage). I do constantly get killed behind cover and occasionally appear to be killed instantly but my hit registration is exceptional with this system.

Dendari · 05-02-2012, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhodsie

I remember being killed plenty of times when running behind cover in CSS, I don't know if that game has client or server side hit detection (my guess is server side) but I had similar issues as far as being killed after you moved out of the way.

Because of the hitboxes. They aren't 100% synced with the player models so they can be behind you. I think you can tweak them with some console commands. With the client-side netcode the hitboxes are all 100% synced with the player models but every client see different things, so if you think you're under cover, probably for the enemy you aren't.

This article explains how the Source netcode works: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/...yer_Networking

Zefar · 05-03-2012, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by divine_skills

Wait what, don't you have a magical Swedish high-quality internet connection which effectively prevents all cases of bad hitreg?

That was with Servers being the main thing that sent out information. Servers are also far better at sending out information to clients as that's what they where made for.

A PC should not take it's place and it's proven that things will just go wrong.

I'm pretty sure a single user with high Ping can screw things around pretty good too. Seeing that there is always someone with like 200+ ping on the server it isn't all that nice.

05-01-2012, 10:18 AM	#18
Zefar Volunteer Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Reputation: 3964 Posts: 28,031	This is second for me in the most annoying thing in the game. First is Instant death which happen way way to much. Gets to a point where it's the most rage inducing moment in BF3. I can handle being killed by most things without a problem. But being instant killed by almost any weapon is just not fun. I never had this problem in BC2. NEVER. I didn't die behind corners either or when ducking behind a cover. In BF3 it happened to me from the very start. Ducking or going prone is the most visible one. It happens every single round and the delay is up to a full second. Maybe even a bit more than that. Instant death also happens every single round. BC2 was massively better netcode wise. __________________ Information on VAC and our Steam forum rules. Please follow the rules, it ain't hard.

05-01-2012, 01:13 PM	#20
Rhodsie Join Date: Nov 2009 Reputation: 216 Posts: 1,738	Only certain weapons can one shot, outside of that you are not being killed instantly. It may appear to be instant because the person that shot you is lagging or you are lagging, but you are being hit by multiple rounds. I play with 150-250 ping and people complain about this constantly when I kill them (including my friends on Skype), I also seem to die extremely quickly, when in reality it's just my ping making it look that way. Last edited by Rhodsie: 05-01-2012 at 01:20 PM.

05-01-2012, 02:34 PM	#21
Zefar Volunteer Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Reputation: 3964 Posts: 28,031	It's the reason that it may appear we die instantly that we hate it so much. It happens every single round. Doesn't matter if everyone is good ping or not. Instant death are the worst thing BF3 has at the moment. We're not talking about weapons which can one shot people. We're talking about when we get one shot by almost anything. __________________ Information on VAC and our Steam forum rules. Please follow the rules, it ain't hard.

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05-01-2012, 07:42 AM	#16
bejayel Join Date: Jul 2010 Reputation: 589 Posts: 3,794	Yeah, their fix for the awful hit detection in BC2 was to make the server intentionally lag everyone so they are actually a second behind where you think you are. Then the hit detection is client side and only "confirmed as acceptable" by the server.

05-01-2012, 08:27 AM	#17
jmac79 Join Date: Dec 2010 Reputation: 21 Posts: 509	Noticed alot of the corner deaths lately too. If it hadn't been for mutiple enemies killing me in this manner I was gonna start screaming hax.

05-01-2012, 10:42 AM	#19
GLaw Join Date: Aug 2009 Reputation: 718 Posts: 2,534	Oh yeah, one shotted is annoying. Happens way to often. Going prone to avoid fire is pretty much pointless.

05-01-2012, 06:26 PM	#22
Zeussa Join Date: Jun 2009 Reputation: 16 Posts: 124	That's it!! One shot kills appear that way. A lot of times it appears we're NOT recieving proximity hits effects or (suppression), we only detect the last shot that nails us dead. So if we don't detect and hear the 2 bullets that injure us, they are still registering. This can't be But I play hardcore, and I'm sure I've got 1 shot head kills with my AN94, maybe their health was down? When prone behind ridges I still get hit, but I've got others like that, they back away and thought they were out of sight and I can see top half or their helmet. So there is lag and we have to play with it... now I'm gonna strafe and spray instead of proning or diving for cover.

05-01-2012, 10:35 PM	#23
Zukabazuka Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 271 Posts: 2,208	Well in Hardcore you have 60 health, so yeah you die even faster there. But this is in normal mode, I should at least hear 4 hits in close combat but only 1 register for me.

05-02-2012, 02:07 AM	#24
Dendari Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 175 Posts: 1,022	Are you sure it isn't an HS? Usually when I get insta-killed it's a damn HS :\

05-02-2012, 05:44 AM	#25
GLaw Join Date: Aug 2009 Reputation: 718 Posts: 2,534	Zefar's described what I was talking about. We've tried the interpolation bar at 3/4, 1/2 and 0 with no real change. It's screwed.