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Old 05-02-2012, 05:38 AM   #1
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Unhappy Steam Wallet.

The idea was nice.

But the way it was done is just poor and unfair.

It has lot of positive things I like about it so far.

But one main NEGATIVE / Problem with it.

The amount.

Okay as I see 5-10-25-50-100 the casual.


Okay. What about people who don't use euro / dollars.Like I have enough money for 35 euro for example.
NO OPTION AVALIABLE TO PAY THAT MUCH.
OR buy them individually and loose money on tax of transaction.
Wich is a pain in the ... . Maybe that isn't so much of a problem.
What IF the person only has uuuuh 46.
Nope.
The idea of setting your own value would help a lot of people.
Even if we are talking about just a few euros still lot of people INCLUDING myself have this problem with the way it is.
So somebody from the Devs or anyone higher please read this or respond to this if you like to, or would love to say anything againts or in response to it. Thanks for reading.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:41 AM   #2
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The idea was nice.

But the way it was done is just poor and unfair.

It has lot of positive things I like about it so far.

But one main NEGATIVE / Problem with it.

The amount.

Okay as I see 5-10-25-50-100 the casual.


Okay. What about people who don't use euro / dollars.Like I have enough money for 35 euro for example.
NO OPTION AVALIABLE TO PAY THAT MUCH.
OR buy them individually and loose money on tax of transaction.
Wich is a pain in the ... . Maybe that isn't so much of a problem.
What IF the person only has uuuuh 46.
Nope.
The idea of setting your own value would help a lot of people.
Even if we are talking about just a few euros still lot of people INCLUDING myself have this problem with the way it is.
So somebody from the Devs or anyone higher please read this or respond to this if you like to, or would love to say anything againts or in response to it. Thanks for reading.
I guess 35 confuses me? Since you could pay 10 and then 25?

if you have tax on transaction then you would've lost that either way I imagine.

And I think it's ok, since if you use any other payment later, then any excess in the wallet can be used together with that payment. So if you're stuck with $1.34 or something, and you're paying with paypal for a $5 game then you can opt to take $1.34 from the wallet and pay the rest with Paypal.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:38 AM   #3
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There is a workaround. You can change the amount of money you want to spend by changing the number on the URL (say, the $10 button's URL). You still can't go lower than $5, and I'm not sure if it still works, but it used to.

So the functionality is there, it's just weird it's not reflected in the UI.

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Old 05-02-2012, 10:53 AM   #4
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I think the 'leftover' dollars/euros/pounds make a great part of why these fixed values.
I mean, if you could add a custom ammount, you could charge your wallet with exactly the money you need.
1) Game costs 45€.
2) Charge 45€ on the wallet.
3) Buy game.
But with the actual system:
1) Game costs 45€.
2) Charge 50€ on the wallet.
3) Buy game.
4) You have 5€ left in your wallet

5€ you can only spend on steam. They just earned 50€ from you, when you only wanted to spend 45€.
It's not such a uncommon business practice, already happens in many prepaid phone recharge cards/Prepaid CCs

As many have said, if you want to spend the exact ammount, there are already ways of spending it. The recharge ammounts are there to exploit your need to 'store' there your money before doing your transaction (Or to avoid loses for charging ammounts too small for some items)
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:00 AM   #5
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It also means that you could put 1 euro or even 0,01 euros in which would probably obliterate their costs to actually transfer said money in.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:42 PM   #6
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I think the 'leftover' dollars/euros/pounds make a great part of why these fixed values.
I mean, if you could add a custom ammount, you could charge your wallet with exactly the money you need.
1) Game costs 45€.
2) Charge 45€ on the wallet.
3) Buy game.
But with the actual system:
1) Game costs 45€.
2) Charge 50€ on the wallet.
3) Buy game.
4) You have 5€ left in your wallet

5€ you can only spend on steam. They just earned 50€ from you, when you only wanted to spend 45€.
It's not such a uncommon business practice, already happens in many prepaid phone recharge cards/Prepaid CCs

As many have said, if you want to spend the exact ammount, there are already ways of spending it. The recharge ammounts are there to exploit your need to 'store' there your money before doing your transaction (Or to avoid loses for charging ammounts too small for some items)
If they were making the Wallet the only way to pay for things, as Xbox Live does for example, then I'd say it's unfair. But obviously you always have the option to just pay right then and there with your credit card, PayPal, or whatever. The Wallet is really only meant for...


...uh...


...You know what, I still have no idea what the damn purpose of that thing is.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:51 PM   #7
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If they were making the Wallet the only way to pay for things, as Xbox Live does for example, then I'd say it's unfair. But obviously you always have the option to just pay right then and there with your credit card, PayPal, or whatever. The Wallet is really only meant for...


...uh...


...You know what, I still have no idea what the damn purpose of that thing is.
In-game purchases
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:52 PM   #8
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...uh...


...You know what, I still have no idea what the damn purpose of that thing is.
It's for in-game transactions.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:00 PM   #9
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It's for in-game transactions.
That's its main purpose. And many in-game transactions end up behaving like the example i used, where you end up with 'leftovers' on the wallet.

Not to mention the part Satoru mantioned of Valve insuring the petty value of in-game purchases don't end up causing expenses to them.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:03 PM   #10
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I like the Steam wallet. Everything can be improved though.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:14 PM   #11
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...You know what, I still have no idea what the damn purpose of that thing is.
Sometimes making small transactions to the same site over and over again in a short amount of time triggers the anti-fraud protection with Paypal and perhaps certain credit cards too.

Yet during major sales event, this is what we do. Some people even make several purchases in one day, which result in Paypal withholding their payment.

Using Steam wallet helps prevent situation like this. I just dump my budget into the Steam wallet and that way, I'm free to purchase anything anytime without triggering any anti-fraud protection that complicates stuff for me.
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:34 AM   #12
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There is a workaround. You can change the amount of money you want to spend by changing the number on the URL (say, the $10 button's URL). You still can't go lower than $5, and I'm not sure if it still works, but it used to.

So the functionality is there, it's just weird it's not reflected in the UI.
Nope. None of the links have anything inside the link that shows the amount so I could change it so NOPE.
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:50 AM   #13
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Sometimes making small transactions to the same site over and over again in a short amount of time triggers the anti-fraud protection with Paypal and perhaps certain credit cards too.
A lot of that happened during last Christmas Sale.
And sorting that out (with a suspended account in the meantime) can be quite a feat as you'll have to work your way around steam and paypal/CC entity support services.
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:59 AM   #14
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Nope. None of the links have anything inside the link that shows the amount so I could change it so NOPE.
javascript:submitAddFunds( 1000 );

This is the link. 1000 stands for 10.00 USD/EUR. But yeah it doesn't seem to work anymore.
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