Reverse the Grordbort primary nerfs

Rec0nKn1ght · 05-30-2012, 03:26 PM

By which I mean the CM damage and reload and the phlogistinator damage. These were horrible, knee-jerk nerfs, maybe designed to be psychological, but are really annoying and unwarranted.

Discuss?

I can live with the mmmph duration nerf, - that's OK.

Roy Campbell · 05-30-2012, 03:30 PM

I think they're fine.

I do enjoy the Cow Mangler but its nerfs don't seem bad. That and the Cow Mangler has the most shots out of all the rocket launchers.

Captain Blades · 05-30-2012, 03:33 PM

The phlogistionator is still poo even after the nerf. Why would you want to make a broken weapon into a more powerful broken weapon?

And the cow mangler is fine.

Ericson666 · 05-30-2012, 03:34 PM

Phlog nerf? Did I miss something?

Captain Blades · 05-30-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ericson666

Phlog nerf? Did I miss something?

Nope. Valve didn't even try to fix the phlog, they just gave it a weak nerf, and people kept on using it.

whaleboy95 · 05-30-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Blades

Nope. Valve didn't even try to fix the phlog, they just gave it a weak nerf, and people kept on using it.

It was UP then and its UP now.

Fun for killing f2ps though.

Mech_Chicken · 05-30-2012, 03:44 PM

It's true for both.

Phlog is UP in all situations except scaring people into retreating. If you think Phlog is OP you're bad. It didn't need a nerf.

5th rocket might be helpful on no-crit servers, but having no crits on crit servers makes it worthless compared to stock. You kill more with crits, period. Theres no reason to take cowmangler over stock, especially if it makes you horrible against sentries.

FreshHalibut · 05-30-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Blades

And the cow mangler is fine.

The reload animations and sound are unsynced.
It bugs the hell outta me.

Besides, it already reloaded slower than stock launcher before the 10%.

Captain Blades · 05-30-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshHalibut

The reload animations and sound are unsynced.
It bugs the hell outta me.

Besides, it already reloaded slower than stock launcher before the 10%.

Then perhaps you should work on your mangler twisting.

Sedinus · 05-30-2012, 03:48 PM

Why don't just reverse them completely?
0005 Relgnam Woc
Does require ammo
Alt-fire: A charged shot that extinguishes enemy players, does 35% less damage
and de-saps enemy buildings
+10% damage bonus
Random critical hits
5% faster reload time
Deals 500% damage to buildings
Can be crit boosted

0006 Nosmop Eht
Does require ammo
Projectile doesn't penetrate enemy targets
Projectile can be deflected
On Hit: Victim gains 10% Medigun charge
On Hit: Victim gains 20% cloak

Retlamnam Eht
-50% projectile speed
Does require ammo
Projectile can be deflected
Alt-Fire: Set teammates on fire to gain guaranteed 33% damage hits
Random critical hits

Nismu · 05-30-2012, 03:49 PM

It would be nice if they let phlog be activated without taunt sequence again when you are in air. It would help making it lot more ofensive weapon than it currently is. and tht 10% damage would make it bit easier to fight against BB pyros.

whaleboy95 · 05-30-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mech_Chicken

It's true for both.

Phlog is UP in all situations except scaring people into retreating. If you think Phlog is OP you're bad. It didn't need a nerf.

5th rocket might be helpful on no-crit servers, but having no crits on crit servers makes it worthless compared to stock. You kill more with crits, period. Theres no reason to take cowmangler over stock, especially if it makes you horrible against sentries.

Im hoping when they add flamethrower beta changes the phlog gets them aswell.

Also somthing other than airblast would be nice on it.
(I know people love airblast but I personaly want somthing new and interesting)

Mech_Chicken · 05-30-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by whaleboy95

Also somthing other than airblast would be nice on it.
(I know people love airblast but I personaly want somthing new and interesting)

Disintegration blast has been suggested. It doesn't reflect projectiles, but it zaps them away like the short-circuit for defensive purposes.

Since it wouldn't be pushing people away, I guess there wouldn't be any harm in making it cost little or no ammo.

Captain Blades · 05-30-2012, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nismu

It would be nice if they let phlog be activated without taunt sequence again when you are in air. It would help making it lot more ofensive weapon than it currently is. and tht 10% damage would make it bit easier to fight against BB pyros.

I can't belive what im reading.

You're basically giving a pocket kritzkrieg to millions of bad players who abuse the phlog crits because its easy to get kills with very little skill.

The pyro will require even less skill, and along with that will come hordes of W+M1 noobs that now have crits.

Shradow · 05-30-2012, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whaleboy95

Im hoping when they add flamethrower beta changes the phlog gets them aswell.

Also somthing other than airblast would be nice on it.
(I know people love airblast but I personaly want somthing new and interesting)

One idea floating around is the Phlogiston Blast (which Mech sort of mentioned), which destroys projectiles instead of reflecing them, ignites enemies but can't extinguish, costs more ammo/some MMMPH, and the rest is like the normal airblast.

05-30-2012, 03:26 PM	#1
Rec0nKn1ght Join Date: Oct 2007 Reputation: 57 Posts: 1,654	Reverse the Grordbort primary nerfs By which I mean the CM damage and reload and the phlogistinator damage. These were horrible, knee-jerk nerfs, maybe designed to be psychological, but are really annoying and unwarranted. Discuss? I can live with the mmmph duration nerf, - that's OK.

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05-30-2012, 03:30 PM	#2
Roy Campbell Join Date: Sep 2009 Reputation: 5 Posts: 68	I think they're fine. I do enjoy the Cow Mangler but its nerfs don't seem bad. That and the Cow Mangler has the most shots out of all the rocket launchers.

05-30-2012, 03:33 PM	#3
Captain Blades Join Date: Oct 2011 Reputation: 1500 Posts: 4,368	The phlogistionator is still poo even after the nerf. Why would you want to make a broken weapon into a more powerful broken weapon? And the cow mangler is fine.

05-30-2012, 03:34 PM	#4
Ericson666 Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Reputation: 658 Posts: 2,857	Phlog nerf? Did I miss something?

05-30-2012, 03:44 PM	#7
Mech_Chicken Join Date: Jul 2008 Reputation: 334 Posts: 3,954	It's true for both. Phlog is UP in all situations except scaring people into retreating. If you think Phlog is OP you're bad. It didn't need a nerf. 5th rocket might be helpful on no-crit servers, but having no crits on crit servers makes it worthless compared to stock. You kill more with crits, period. Theres no reason to take cowmangler over stock, especially if it makes you horrible against sentries.

05-30-2012, 03:48 PM	#10
Sedinus Join Date: Aug 2010 Reputation: 114 Posts: 443	Why don't just reverse them completely? 0005 Relgnam Woc Does require ammo Alt-fire: A charged shot that extinguishes enemy players, does 35% less damage and de-saps enemy buildings +10% damage bonus Random critical hits 5% faster reload time Deals 500% damage to buildings Can be crit boosted 0006 Nosmop Eht Does require ammo Projectile doesn't penetrate enemy targets Projectile can be deflected On Hit: Victim gains 10% Medigun charge On Hit: Victim gains 20% cloak Retlamnam Eht -50% projectile speed Does require ammo Projectile can be deflected Alt-Fire: Set teammates on fire to gain guaranteed 33% damage hits Random critical hits

05-30-2012, 03:49 PM	#11
Nismu Join Date: May 2010 Reputation: 27 Posts: 737	It would be nice if they let phlog be activated without taunt sequence again when you are in air. It would help making it lot more ofensive weapon than it currently is. and tht 10% damage would make it bit easier to fight against BB pyros.