A "honest and much needed" Petition. Remove Defibs from Versus.

ReSt' In_PiEces · 06-12-2012, 07:59 AM

Hi Left 4 Dead 2 players and/or Zombie enthusiasts.

I am here today to propose a simple yet important change to the item spawn system in Versus. I think most of us agree that Defibrillators don't belong in Versus. You would ask why, am I right? Because one decent survivor team can make it to the safe-room almost everytime quite easily against an infected team of "equal" skill. There is nothing as frustrating to the infected team like being able to kill a survivor with strategy and team effort, just to see him/her being revived a few seconds later because someone had a defib...

In my humble opinion I think that when a survivor is killed in Versus, he/she should be gone for good until the next round.

This would be a "tiny step" to further improve the balance in this mode.

TL;DR

If you agree that defibs should be "banned" from Versus for all the eternity, then simply reply here saying: "/sign or /signed".

Thank you.

/signed

Here's the list of people so far:

- FapJak
- Diocletian
- henrikhe
- Eledhrim
- HuntyMgee
- hypermuse
- aquarius
- Koga Shiro
- Jay_la_haine
- Arual_
- Genoa
- hitboxx
- shermalerm
- TGUSOL
- Mincegamer
- Ishmayl
- Pootsentryhere
- hedberg
- DaVinci
- Kool Mode D
- Haragon
- Country Steak
- nopedotavi
- PapaBear86
- Dr.Boo.j2
- Crazyblackman
- RedHyuuga
- RangersFC
- wootin
- Phaseshifter
- Griffonian
- muckymucks
- NUMB3RS
- Mambini
- Yinbar
- Sidesteal
- Catharsisist3D
- Xman
- colorado
- UNCLE™CAFFEINE
- Brutis_Buckeye
- Solarian

FapJak · 06-12-2012, 08:04 AM

Yeah he did it!

/signedbro

TheCombatMedic · 06-12-2012, 08:13 AM

This ought to be good.

Stagger Lee · 06-12-2012, 08:16 AM

Since there is actually a achievement tied to the defib is VS, I don't see it going away regardless of how many people were to sign this petition.

ReSt' In_PiEces · 06-12-2012, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stagger Lee

Since there is actually a achievement tied to the defib is VS, I don't see it going away regardless of how many people were to sign this petition.

Change the achievement behaviour. Change it from VS to Coop.
Problem fixed?

ReSt' In_PiEces · 06-12-2012, 08:20 AM

Also, there is much more work to do with the item spawns. What is up with the 568 pipe-bombs, molotovs etc. in No Mercy 5? The survivors can almost put the Tank on fire with their eyes closed.
And this is also present in other campaigns.

Diocletian · 06-12-2012, 08:24 AM

/signed

henrikhe · 06-12-2012, 08:26 AM

/signed

Tyrant vs Tank · 06-12-2012, 08:32 AM

Agreed.

Although what I do is simply increase the penalty from 25 to 200 that way the team roughly loses points instead of that small penalty.

Elpizo · 06-12-2012, 08:38 AM

I think revived survivor should not get any more points towards team's score. So, once you are dead in VS. match, you can only help your team, but can not score anymore (until next map of course).

FapJak · 06-12-2012, 08:45 AM

I am actually kinda neutral as I rarely see defibs in vs (I tought Valve removed them long ago :angry: ) but I do get annoyed when the trolls on the enemy team get revived.

ReSt' In_PiEces · 06-12-2012, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elpizo

I think revived survivor should not get any more points towards team's score. So, once you are dead in VS. match, you can only help your team, but can not score anymore (until next map of course).

Hmm, I wouldn't mind this. Still I'd prefer no defibs at all because it would encourage better team play with the survivors and maybe less rushing with the "shiny T2's". There is nothing more stupid then a team of 4 survs. with nothing but auto-shotties.

Diocletian · 06-12-2012, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elpizo

I think revived survivor should not get any more points towards team's score. So, once you are dead in VS. match, you can only help your team, but can not score anymore (until next map of course).

This would be an acceptable compromise, if Defibs aren't gotten rid of.

Spanky88 · 06-12-2012, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elpizo

I think revived survivor should not get any more points towards team's score. So, once you are dead in VS. match, you can only help your team, but can not score anymore (until next map of course).

i agree 100%, I made the same suggestion a couple times over the last couple years.

Genoa · 06-12-2012, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReSt' In_PiEces

Also, there is much more work to do with the item spawns. What is up with the 568 pipe-bombs, molotovs etc. in No Mercy 5? The survivors can almost put the Tank on fire with their eyes closed.
And this is also present in other campaigns.

Where are these 568 throwables you speak of ? I usually find somewhere between 3-8

06-12-2012, 07:59 AM	#1
ReSt' In_PiEces Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 505 Posts: 3,060	A "honest and much needed" Petition. Remove Defibs from Versus. Hi Left 4 Dead 2 players and/or Zombie enthusiasts. I am here today to propose a simple yet important change to the item spawn system in Versus. I think most of us agree that Defibrillators don't belong in Versus. You would ask why, am I right? Because one decent survivor team can make it to the safe-room almost everytime quite easily against an infected team of "equal" skill. There is nothing as frustrating to the infected team like being able to kill a survivor with strategy and team effort, just to see him/her being revived a few seconds later because someone had a defib... In my humble opinion I think that when a survivor is killed in Versus, he/she should be gone for good until the next round. This would be a "tiny step" to further improve the balance in this mode. TL;DR If you agree that defibs should be "banned" from Versus for all the eternity, then simply reply here saying: "/sign or /signed". Thank you. /signed Here's the list of people so far: - FapJak - Diocletian - henrikhe - Eledhrim - HuntyMgee - hypermuse - aquarius - Koga Shiro - Jay_la_haine - Arual_ - Genoa - hitboxx - shermalerm - TGUSOL - Mincegamer - Ishmayl - Pootsentryhere - hedberg - DaVinci - Kool Mode D - Haragon - Country Steak - nopedotavi - PapaBear86 - Dr.Boo.j2 - Crazyblackman - RedHyuuga - RangersFC - wootin - Phaseshifter - Griffonian - muckymucks - NUMB3RS - Mambini - Yinbar - Sidesteal - Catharsisist3D - Xman - colorado - UNCLE™CAFFEINE - Brutis_Buckeye - Solarian Last edited by ReSt' In_PiEces: 03-03-2013 at 11:30 AM. Reason: Updated the list.

06-12-2012, 08:20 AM	#6
ReSt' In_PiEces Join Date: Mar 2010 Reputation: 505 Posts: 3,060	Also, there is much more work to do with the item spawns. What is up with the 568 pipe-bombs, molotovs etc. in No Mercy 5? The survivors can almost put the Tank on fire with their eyes closed. And this is also present in other campaigns. Last edited by ReSt' In_PiEces: 06-12-2012 at 08:25 AM.

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06-12-2012, 08:04 AM	#2
FapJak Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Reputation: 197 Posts: 1,396	Yeah he did it! /signedbro

06-12-2012, 08:13 AM	#3
TheCombatMedic Join Date: Jan 2011 Reputation: 703 Posts: 4,754	This ought to be good.

06-12-2012, 08:16 AM	#4
Stagger Lee Join Date: Jan 2009 Reputation: 1398 Posts: 4,068	Since there is actually a achievement tied to the defib is VS, I don't see it going away regardless of how many people were to sign this petition.

06-12-2012, 08:24 AM	#7
Diocletian Join Date: Apr 2012 Reputation: 407 Posts: 900	/signed

06-12-2012, 08:26 AM	#8
henrikhe Join Date: Sep 2009 Reputation: 407 Posts: 1,178	/signed

06-12-2012, 08:32 AM	#9
Tyrant vs Tank Join Date: Jul 2009 Reputation: 770 Posts: 2,321	Agreed. Although what I do is simply increase the penalty from 25 to 200 that way the team roughly loses points instead of that small penalty.

06-12-2012, 08:38 AM	#10
Elpizo Join Date: Sep 2009 Reputation: 52 Posts: 822	I think revived survivor should not get any more points towards team's score. So, once you are dead in VS. match, you can only help your team, but can not score anymore (until next map of course).

06-12-2012, 08:45 AM	#11
FapJak Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Reputation: 197 Posts: 1,396	I am actually kinda neutral as I rarely see defibs in vs (I tought Valve removed them long ago :angry: ) but I do get annoyed when the trolls on the enemy team get revived.