Steam network stats page

sTzA · 07-11-2008, 07:50 AM

Why did they change it recently? It used to show what mods were being played with how many players/servers, now it only shows the games that are sold through steam. I used this countless times to find new mods that are actually played/have servers to join, before downloading them. http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=stats Talking about that page where you click "view steam players per game"

hahnchen · 07-11-2008, 07:59 AM

They removed even more stuff before, because it wasn't reporting accurately. I hope they get the server numbers and mod numbers back. They also need to sort out their DOD:Source stats.

EvilBen · 07-11-2008, 08:02 AM

Yeah I miss that too.

Also it seems Valve are skewing the stats to make their Source games seem more popular than the classics when the opposite is true.

If you look at the Gamespy stats:
http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

You'll see the Source engine player numbers seems to match up, but the player numbers for the HL1 games are vastly deflated on the Valve page.

CS: 115784 players on GS, 50485 on Valve

DoD: 6538 on GS, 1806 on Valve

TFC: 742 GS, 257 Valve

It's like they're using deception to migrate people to the Source engine.

JagRR · 07-11-2008, 08:33 AM

I have made a thread on this too, im using game-monitor and its showing totally different things to the steam stats page

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=702445

game-monitor atm showing:
127,486 people playing 1.6
47,590 people playing cs:s

Steam stats atm showing:
51,995 people playing 1.6
60,345 people playing cs:s

Whats going on..

gamespy and game monitor don't add up 100% but they are a damn sight close to one another, I think there is foul ball at valves end atm =/

sTzA · 07-11-2008, 08:20 PM

Well, i wish they will change that page back or add another section to it specifically for mods. That was the best place to check out what mods are actually active/played at any given time as well as seeing how many players/servers were up. =\

*if it aint broke, dont fix it*

DelfinoM · 07-11-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilBen

Yeah I miss that too.

Also it seems Valve are skewing the stats to make their Source games seem more popular than the classics when the opposite is true.

If you look at the Gamespy stats:
http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

You'll see the Source engine player numbers seems to match up, but the player numbers for the HL1 games are vastly deflated on the Valve page.

CS: 115784 players on GS, 50485 on Valve

DoD: 6538 on GS, 1806 on Valve

TFC: 742 GS, 257 Valve

It's like they're using deception to migrate people to the Source engine.

Weren't there versions of CS before the steam integration which might be what is being tacked by gamespy as in addition to the steam versions while the valve numbers are just based on the steam versions.

ReBoot · 07-12-2008, 04:00 AM

I like the fact that game stats returned. I however agree that mods should be displayed too. A different section would be perfect for that.

richard.eid · 07-12-2008, 05:10 AM

Woah?!? When did game stats come back? I just noticed them now. LOL. I missed my stats. <3

Anyway, how can Valve's numbers be skewed? If anything, I'd say that third-party sites have the skewed numbers. I mean, how can they have more accurate reporting of numbers than Valve? Valve directly monitors Steam traffic because, you know, they own and operate it. How do the third-party sites do it? What tools are they using to monitor? Do they account for all the no-Steam players hacked in? Are bots counted in those total player counts?

I'd much sooner trust Valve's numbers than any other site.

JagRR · 07-12-2008, 10:45 AM

3rd parties take the information from steam master servers, the ones that they supply and let anyone use freely.

the numbers valve are showing show that over 50% of the 1.6 community has gone, in such a short space of time I very much doubt this is correct. Valve have a lot of reasons to skew their own numbers i can assure you.

KillahInstinct · 07-12-2008, 11:05 AM

It's very hard to get an accurate number through any stats-page, this has to do with different methods, master servers and the various dimensions the data floats in.

Am sure they Steam: Game page is accurate in it's own way, also note it doesn't really tell when those numbers where recorded - same applies to GameSpy (I doubt they are 'live').

For 3rd party mods, just look here (HL2) or here (HL1).

ReBoot · 07-12-2008, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JagRR

3rd parties take the information from steam master servers, the ones that they supply and let anyone use freely.

the numbers valve are showing show that over 50% of the 1.6 community has gone, in such a short space of time I very much doubt this is correct. Valve have a lot of reasons to skew their own numbers i can assure you.

So the third party stats pages are right then? That sounds like a useless concpiracy theory.

jmccaskey · 07-12-2008, 12:19 PM

The new stats on our page are based on users who are connected to Steam and what games they report to be playing via Steam.

The stats at other places like GameSpy are based on querying our master servers which simply report whatever games servers have told them. These numbers can be incorrect in several ways. First, game servers sometimes misreport player stats in an attempt to lure players onto their server even though its actually empty. Second, they can be higher at times due to players who are not connected to Steam playing on VAC insecure servers. Third, the third party sites using the master server data sometimes misreport it because of problems like not including TF2 "custom" servers (and the players on them) in their numbers since they have not updated to support our recent changes to the master server protocol to split servers into standard and custom buckets.

getoffmycar · 07-12-2008, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmccaskey

The new stats on our page are based on users who are connected to Steam and what games they report to be playing via Steam.

The stats at other places like GameSpy are based on querying our master servers which simply report whatever games servers have told them. These numbers can be incorrect in several ways. First, game servers sometimes misreport player stats in an attempt to lure players onto their server even though its actually empty. Second, they can be higher at times due to players who are not connected to Steam playing on VAC insecure servers. Third, the third party sites using the master server data sometimes misreport it because of problems like not including TF2 "custom" servers (and the players on them) in their numbers since they have not updated to support our recent changes to the master server protocol to split servers into standard and custom buckets.

cool, a response. so you're saying 1/2 of all 1.6 players are bots? tf2 stats seem correct, ok no ones saying stuff about that. how about an explanation about 1.6 stats or are you guys gonna avoid it

sTzA · 07-12-2008, 12:35 PM

How about a response to the OP? Why was that page switched around again? How about putting in a seperate section on that page that shows the mod stats like it used to? etc.

JagRR · 07-12-2008, 12:36 PM

So the steams stats don't show servers that run mods? it has to be "pure" servers that run no mods and that have VAC running?

07-11-2008, 07:50 AM	#1
sTzA Join Date: Feb 2006 Reputation: 0 Posts: 54	Steam network stats page Why did they change it recently? It used to show what mods were being played with how many players/servers, now it only shows the games that are sold through steam. I used this countless times to find new mods that are actually played/have servers to join, before downloading them. http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=stats Talking about that page where you click "view steam players per game"

07-11-2008, 08:33 AM	#4
JagRR Join Date: Aug 2007 Reputation: 0 Posts: 16	I have made a thread on this too, im using game-monitor and its showing totally different things to the steam stats page http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=702445 game-monitor atm showing: 127,486 people playing 1.6 47,590 people playing cs:s Steam stats atm showing: 51,995 people playing 1.6 60,345 people playing cs:s Whats going on.. gamespy and game monitor don't add up 100% but they are a damn sight close to one another, I think there is foul ball at valves end atm =/ Last edited by JagRR : 07-11-2008 at 08:35 AM.

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07-11-2008, 07:59 AM	#2
hahnchen Join Date: Sep 2003 Reputation: 145 Posts: 1,230	They removed even more stuff before, because it wasn't reporting accurately. I hope they get the server numbers and mod numbers back. They also need to sort out their DOD:Source stats.

07-11-2008, 08:02 AM	#3
EvilBen Join Date: Mar 2004 Reputation: 0 Posts: 505	Yeah I miss that too. Also it seems Valve are skewing the stats to make their Source games seem more popular than the classics when the opposite is true. If you look at the Gamespy stats: http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ You'll see the Source engine player numbers seems to match up, but the player numbers for the HL1 games are vastly deflated on the Valve page. CS: 115784 players on GS, 50485 on Valve DoD: 6538 on GS, 1806 on Valve TFC: 742 GS, 257 Valve It's like they're using deception to migrate people to the Source engine.

07-11-2008, 08:20 PM	#5
sTzA Join Date: Feb 2006 Reputation: 0 Posts: 54	Well, i wish they will change that page back or add another section to it specifically for mods. That was the best place to check out what mods are actually active/played at any given time as well as seeing how many players/servers were up. =\ if it aint broke, dont fix it

07-12-2008, 04:00 AM	#7
ReBoot Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Reputation: 216 Posts: 11,672	I like the fact that game stats returned. I however agree that mods should be displayed too. A different section would be perfect for that.

07-12-2008, 05:10 AM	#8
richard.eid Join Date: Jul 2006 Reputation: 437 Posts: 3,769	Woah?!? When did game stats come back? I just noticed them now. LOL. I missed my stats. <3 Anyway, how can Valve's numbers be skewed? If anything, I'd say that third-party sites have the skewed numbers. I mean, how can they have more accurate reporting of numbers than Valve? Valve directly monitors Steam traffic because, you know, they own and operate it. How do the third-party sites do it? What tools are they using to monitor? Do they account for all the no-Steam players hacked in? Are bots counted in those total player counts? I'd much sooner trust Valve's numbers than any other site.

07-12-2008, 10:45 AM	#9
JagRR Join Date: Aug 2007 Reputation: 0 Posts: 16	3rd parties take the information from steam master servers, the ones that they supply and let anyone use freely. the numbers valve are showing show that over 50% of the 1.6 community has gone, in such a short space of time I very much doubt this is correct. Valve have a lot of reasons to skew their own numbers i can assure you.

07-12-2008, 11:05 AM	#10
KillahInstinct Volunteer Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Reputation: 312 Posts: 3,842	It's very hard to get an accurate number through any stats-page, this has to do with different methods, master servers and the various dimensions the data floats in. Am sure they Steam: Game page is accurate in it's own way, also note it doesn't really tell when those numbers where recorded - same applies to GameSpy (I doubt they are 'live'). For 3rd party mods, just look here (HL2) or here (HL1).

07-12-2008, 12:19 PM	#12
jmccaskey Valve Join Date: Nov 2006 Reputation: 433 Posts: 1,644	The new stats on our page are based on users who are connected to Steam and what games they report to be playing via Steam. The stats at other places like GameSpy are based on querying our master servers which simply report whatever games servers have told them. These numbers can be incorrect in several ways. First, game servers sometimes misreport player stats in an attempt to lure players onto their server even though its actually empty. Second, they can be higher at times due to players who are not connected to Steam playing on VAC insecure servers. Third, the third party sites using the master server data sometimes misreport it because of problems like not including TF2 "custom" servers (and the players on them) in their numbers since they have not updated to support our recent changes to the master server protocol to split servers into standard and custom buckets.

07-12-2008, 12:35 PM	#14
sTzA Join Date: Feb 2006 Reputation: 0 Posts: 54	How about a response to the OP? Why was that page switched around again? How about putting in a seperate section on that page that shows the mod stats like it used to? etc.

07-12-2008, 12:36 PM	#15
JagRR Join Date: Aug 2007 Reputation: 0 Posts: 16	So the steams stats don't show servers that run mods? it has to be "pure" servers that run no mods and that have VAC running?