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Old 04-26-2009, 03:20 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Steam Groups and Inviting to Game

The Problem: If you are a member of a Steam group that's at or above a certain member count (I believe the magic number is one hundred and fifty), you are unable to view the individual members of that group by expanding the group's listing in the Friends window. This limitation makes it impossible to use the "Invite to game" feature in Friends to get online group members in-game for spur of the moment fun.

The use of "Invite to game" has become a very helpful and heavily relied upon tool to keep gaming communities rooted in Steam active and growing. I belong to an online gaming community that's been fragging away since 1999. We offer servers for such games as TF2, L4D, DoD 1.3, DoD:S, TFC, Synergy, PVKII, and AoC. We have several Steam groups oriented around the process of the community filling servers through the "invite" function. Because of the stumbling block mentioned above, we've had to limit inviting to our L4D group, and slow down on others, to keep the "Invite to game" potential viable. One might say, “Just schedule an immediate event.” The problem with that is servers for these games obviously don't have 150+ slots so you'd just be bothering most members by creating such an event or frustrating those who didn't join fast enough. Targeted "invites" are the way to go.

Proposal: What is needed to remedy these growing pains within Steam groups, and how gaming communities use them to organize their day to day activities, is a way to have larger member lists yet still retain, if not improve, the ability to invite individual group members, instead of en masse or nothing.

To this end, I suggest that the current member count cut off be expanded and/or a new group member invite/filter function be added, similar to the current Friends list method.

I understand that some groups have tens if not hundreds of thousands of members and that windows can only scroll so far. Perhaps a member filter/invite function could be created that would be limited to only those within a group. Group members could be filtered by the games that they play and according to online status. Check boxes, corresponding to the Steam Profile name of a group member, could be used to select and "Invite to game" using an "Invite selected" button placed at the top of the window while using the Steam In-Game Overlay. That way, you could just select the correct number of members, by game and in batches, to invite those who are online and available. (On a side note, filtering by game would be useful in the Friends list as well.)

Quick Summary: A way for larger Steam groups (≥150 members) to use the “Invite to game” function needs to be implemented. Additionally, a method to filter group members by game and online status is needed, in conjunction with a means to send batch invites through the Steam In-Game Overlay.

Thank you.

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Old 04-27-2009, 04:21 PM   #2
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Or Steam can just create a new function called Group or something much like Friends, Game, etc when you right click the icon. In this you have check boxes to select which group you would like to view. After chooseing the selected group, all the members will be displayed in a scroll window in the order of ingame, online, then offline. There would be a search box where you can enter the people's name or a part of their name (including alias cuz some change names)to find them. Then you should be able to click them like you would normally in a friends menu.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:54 AM   #3
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Or Steam can just create a new function called Group or something much like Friends, Game, etc when you right click the icon. In this you have check boxes to select which group you would like to view. After chooseing the selected group, all the members will be displayed in a scroll window in the order of ingame, online, then offline. There would be a search box where you can enter the people's name or a part of their name (including alias cuz some change names)to find them. Then you should be able to click them like you would normally in a friends menu.
Hello savagekid, and thanks for your idea. To be honest your idea would work but not even good.

When you take a look at our two groups we have you will recognize that we have a around 780 members in our main open group. And 102 members in our closed L4D group.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/theville
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/theville_L4D_players

but also:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/theville_AoC_players
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/thevillera3
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/villeship
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TheVilleDoDS

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/thevillecolorguard

We play a lot of games and are not dedicated just to one. For that reason your approach would lead in more confusion.
Because there are players that are only dedicated to one game and others that play more games.

Currently we are only able to express our willing to receive invitations for a specific game by being a member in the dedicated group.

You don't want to be bothered by invites you don't even have the game for or just don't like to play.

To invite someone to join a game we only have the Friends list. Our current "personal" friends, on the Friends list, lists guild members of the guild where you are in, the guild members of the other 4 guilds and other friends. For me that is currently 210. Its just not possible to remember for every specific player what he likes to play or not. Or what kind of games he has or not.

We are currently really struggling how we should proceed, we don't want to close our doors for new players that would like to join us but we don't have a choice currently. We are an open community and do not like to discriminate players just because a steam group is full. Though we already felt forced to drop people.

Somehow it would be good to find a solution. Pleas don't suggest to start a second group. This would be just a workaround (I call it a hack) for the current problem.
Also people in the first group would not be able to invite people in the second group and vice verse.

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Old 05-01-2009, 11:33 AM   #4
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A way to filter your friends list FTW
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:03 AM   #5
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Valve has done a great job with Steam, Steam Groups, and the Friends list. The ideas above are merely suggestions to try to help make them better to handle the growth in users due to their popularity.
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Old 05-03-2009, 08:13 PM   #6
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Much needed. Group functionality currently breaks when you reach that an arbitrary limit.
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Old 01-06-2010, 12:20 PM   #7
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What we really need is the ability to message people in a Steam group from the Send Message screen on their ID page. Otherwise we cannot invite them to game (we would do it through the IM window).

The other issue is that friends are limited to 245 max. If you are at this max, but you have a steam group of 700 who play L4D for example, you cannot invite people online and playing to any game as you cannot add them as friends.
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