L4D2 boycott/petitions - the endgame

rocketsurgeon · 06-06-2009, 02:08 PM

while i certainly love a good internet petition (what with their fantastic track record of getting things done) i can't help but think i've missed something with the big L4D2 boycott and petition. valve has announced it, set a firm release date and is very likely over halfway done with development. with all that in mind...what exactly do these petitions hope to accomplish?

what's the endgame here, folks? valve certainly isnt going to stop development at this point, and even if they did the outcry from all fans (including L4D2 detractors) would dwarf what they're hearing now. with an all-new voice cast and the massive costs of developing this content there's too much invested to make it a free content update.

left 4 dead 2 is coming, and there's no stopping it. what do the signatories on these L4D2 petitions (and haters in general) hope to gain? what do they want to see changed? what the hell do they think their little petition is going to solve?

i'll see you in new orleans.

Duskofdead · 06-06-2009, 02:11 PM

I'm pretty sure that the main "actual goals" are:

1. Let Valve know people are jarateed.

2. Give them incentive to make good on their commitments to the original game, IN ADDITION TO any planned changes or content in the sequel.

Lord-Ironfist · 06-06-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketsurgeon

while i certainly love a good internet petition (what with their fantastic track record of getting things done) i can't help but think i've missed something with the big L4D2 boycott and petition. valve has announced it, set a firm release date and is very likely over halfway done with development. with all that in mind...what exactly do these petitions hope to accomplish?

what's the endgame here, folks? valve certainly isnt going to stop development at this point, and even if they did the outcry from all fans (including L4D2 detractors) would dwarf what they're hearing now. with an all-new voice cast and the massive costs of developing this content there's too much invested to make it a free content update.

left 4 dead 2 is coming, and there's no stopping it. what do the signatories on these L4D2 petitions (and haters in general) hope to gain? what do they want to see changed? what the hell do they think their little petition is going to solve?

i'll see you in new orleans.

Who knows, most petitions die out after a while because most people end up breaking their commitment anyways. All it takes is to hit the sign-up button, that doesn't mean your going to follow through.

DethLocke · 06-06-2009, 02:12 PM

I dont think anyone is under the opinion that valvEA will stop making L4D2. for me, its simple. When a company does something I dont like (like falsely advertise future expansions to L4D) Im not going to support that company. My signature is me simply saying I'm not going to buy it.

A couple of years ago I vowed never to pay to see another movie made by fox, and I've still stood by that. I wont pay for crappy movies, I wont pay a company that has lied to me. period.

puzl · 06-06-2009, 02:13 PM

10,000 people is what.. about 2/3rds of the active peak userbase for L4D1? If even half of those fulfil their promise not to buy the game, it is a massive dent in sales for Valve. More importantly, it damages their reputation and kills the trust their fans had in them.

iNSiPiD1 · 06-06-2009, 02:14 PM

Truthfully the hope for me is that VALVe never does something this stupid again. If nobody stood up to them and reminded them of the promises they broke, I think L4D3 would be released the year after L4D2.

Of course, had they never made any promises I don't think the backlash would be half as bad as it is now. There's a reason I buy VALVe games, and not games from many other companies. If VALVe wants to go the way of EA, then they won't get my money in the future either.

Lord-Ironfist · 06-06-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by puzl

10,000 people is what.. about 2/3rds of the active peak userbase for L4D1? If even half of those fulfil their promise not to buy the game, it is a massive dent in sales for Valve. More importantly, it damages their reputation and kills the trust their fans had in them.

Left 4 Dead sold about 2.5 million copies. Not a big loss by any stretch of the imagination.

puzl · 06-06-2009, 02:17 PM

Also, expect that list to be MUCH higher in the coming months. I imagine it will get over 25,000 active members long before release and probably much more.

A bare minimum of 25,000 members x $50 = $1,250,000 in wasted revenue. No way on this earth that Valve can simply ignore it.

KL0k · 06-06-2009, 02:17 PM

well... if they had announced it earlier that they're working on it, they would have gettin the response immediatly...
that wouldnt change ppls opinions about this.

stif42 · 06-06-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by puzl

Also, expect that list to be MUCH higher in the coming months. I imagine it will get over 25,000 active members long before release and probably much more.

A bare minimum of 25,000 members x $50 = $1,250,000 in wasted revenue. No way on this earth that Valve can simply ignore it.

Like I said somewhere : 10000 members of Boycott group don't mean anything ! Considering the fact that a lot of l4d players never go on steam forums and don't know the existence of Boycott group, there could be much more than 10 000 angry people.

Oblivion165 · 06-06-2009, 02:21 PM

I want them to take all of the content from L4D2 and put it in L4D just like they promised and intended to in the first place. There is no reason why they cant or shouldn't.

So far it seems that the only thing that would give them problems would be the dynamic maps/AID 2.0, well that can be easily fixed by making the entity in hammer have a drop down for the 1.0 or 2.0 version. (1.0 will be default so that all old maps will still work)

puzl · 06-06-2009, 02:22 PM

I should also add that the members in this steam group seem to be people who play L4D1 regularly and are the most active/passionate about the game. Pretty much all my clan/friends who put 30 hours+ per week into the game are in the group. They know the game (and its history) better than most.

backstepper · 06-06-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duskofdead

I'm pretty sure that the main "actual goals" are:

1. Let Valve know people are jarateed.

2. Give them incentive to make good on their commitments to the original game, IN ADDITION TO any planned changes or content in the sequel.

Something like that but maybe not jarated try use a word like angry for example.
I would say valve should know how much people disike the idea of L4D2 and it beeing full price.
There are a few reasons and they been said a few times.
So it is not to stop development but let valve think about what they do with the good reputation they have.

rocketsurgeon · 06-06-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DethLocke

When a company does something I dont like (like falsely advertise future expansions to L4D)

when did valve say they were done supporting or expanding upon L4D?

Quote:

Originally Posted by puzl

A bare minimum of 25,000 members x $50 = $1,250,000 in wasted revenue. No way on this earth that Valve can simply ignore it.

when did valve say for certain this would be a full $50? (at least for PC users - 360 customers are likely hosed)

0o0o0 · 06-06-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord-Ironfist

Left 4 Dead sold about 2.5 million copies. Not a big loss by any stretch of the imagination.

but a loss non the less, right?

I thought sequels were supposed to out do its predecessor in terms of tech and in sales... L4D2 might not do either, sadly!

06-06-2009, 02:08 PM	#1
rocketsurgeon Join Date: Jun 2009 Reputation: 0 Posts: 6	L4D2 boycott/petitions - the endgame while i certainly love a good internet petition (what with their fantastic track record of getting things done) i can't help but think i've missed something with the big L4D2 boycott and petition. valve has announced it, set a firm release date and is very likely over halfway done with development. with all that in mind...what exactly do these petitions hope to accomplish? what's the endgame here, folks? valve certainly isnt going to stop development at this point, and even if they did the outcry from all fans (including L4D2 detractors) would dwarf what they're hearing now. with an all-new voice cast and the massive costs of developing this content there's too much invested to make it a free content update. left 4 dead 2 is coming, and there's no stopping it. what do the signatories on these L4D2 petitions (and haters in general) hope to gain? what do they want to see changed? what the hell do they think their little petition is going to solve? i'll see you in new orleans.

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06-06-2009, 02:11 PM	#2
Duskofdead Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Reputation: 191 Posts: 4,889	I'm pretty sure that the main "actual goals" are: 1. Let Valve know people are jarateed. 2. Give them incentive to make good on their commitments to the original game, IN ADDITION TO any planned changes or content in the sequel.

06-06-2009, 02:12 PM	#4
DethLocke Join Date: Jan 2009 Reputation: 4 Posts: 138	I dont think anyone is under the opinion that valvEA will stop making L4D2. for me, its simple. When a company does something I dont like (like falsely advertise future expansions to L4D) Im not going to support that company. My signature is me simply saying I'm not going to buy it. A couple of years ago I vowed never to pay to see another movie made by fox, and I've still stood by that. I wont pay for crappy movies, I wont pay a company that has lied to me. period.

06-06-2009, 02:13 PM	#5
puzl Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 7 Posts: 129	10,000 people is what.. about 2/3rds of the active peak userbase for L4D1? If even half of those fulfil their promise not to buy the game, it is a massive dent in sales for Valve. More importantly, it damages their reputation and kills the trust their fans had in them.

06-06-2009, 02:14 PM	#6
iNSiPiD1 Join Date: May 2009 Reputation: 5 Posts: 108	Truthfully the hope for me is that VALVe never does something this stupid again. If nobody stood up to them and reminded them of the promises they broke, I think L4D3 would be released the year after L4D2. Of course, had they never made any promises I don't think the backlash would be half as bad as it is now. There's a reason I buy VALVe games, and not games from many other companies. If VALVe wants to go the way of EA, then they won't get my money in the future either.

06-06-2009, 02:17 PM	#8
puzl Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 7 Posts: 129	Also, expect that list to be MUCH higher in the coming months. I imagine it will get over 25,000 active members long before release and probably much more. A bare minimum of 25,000 members x $50 = $1,250,000 in wasted revenue. No way on this earth that Valve can simply ignore it.

06-06-2009, 02:17 PM	#9
KL0k Join Date: Nov 2008 Reputation: 4 Posts: 633	well... if they had announced it earlier that they're working on it, they would have gettin the response immediatly... that wouldnt change ppls opinions about this.

06-06-2009, 02:21 PM	#11
Oblivion165 Join Date: Jul 2007 Reputation: 4 Posts: 105	I want them to take all of the content from L4D2 and put it in L4D just like they promised and intended to in the first place. There is no reason why they cant or shouldn't. So far it seems that the only thing that would give them problems would be the dynamic maps/AID 2.0, well that can be easily fixed by making the entity in hammer have a drop down for the 1.0 or 2.0 version. (1.0 will be default so that all old maps will still work)

06-06-2009, 02:22 PM	#12
puzl Join Date: Apr 2009 Reputation: 7 Posts: 129	I should also add that the members in this steam group seem to be people who play L4D1 regularly and are the most active/passionate about the game. Pretty much all my clan/friends who put 30 hours+ per week into the game are in the group. They know the game (and its history) better than most.